very positive comments on capacity and business coming back after sandy, so there's two groups that held up and, of course, apple up as well. >> interesting to see the defense stocks act that way, bob, even though we're expecting layoffs in the sector. >> yeah. this is what's remarkable to me. overall you would think orders, like future orders, which is what defense spending -- defense stocks trade on would be noticeable to the downside and there's ate lot of worry. not underperforming the market. since the beginning of the deekz december, they have been outperforming. >> go ahead, debra. >> been at the tax rates before and it wasn't like nobody jumped out of market. stocks did outperform at market. >> but that was a very different time, wasn't it? we were on the east internet. you had dotcoms soaring and money moving into technology right before the year 2000. we had a balanced budget. in fact, a surplus under president clinton. very different economic moment. >> right, but you can still argue that you also have another internet boom going on with the mobile boom. >> i think the big thi